Wiktionary:Geselshoekie/Argief5

Welkom by Wikiwoordeboek se algemene geselshoekie. Almal is welkom om aan die besprekings hier deel te neem. Teken asseblief u besprekings deur ~~~~ te tik, of die "Handtekening met datum"-ikoon () op die redigeringskieslys te kies.

waarvan

Woorde soos waarvan, waartydens, daartussen en hieruit word gewoonlik "pronominal adverbs" (en), "voornaamwoordelijke bijwoorden" (nl) ens. genoem, maar ek hou eintlik meer daarvan om hulle voornaamwoorde te noem, soos jy met waarvan gedoen het, Frank.

Hulle deel eienskappe van voornaamwoorde en van bywoorde, maar ongelukkig word bywoorde dikwels as 'n minder belangrike deel van de grammatika gesien. Hierdie woorde is egter ewe belangrik vir die Afrikaanse (en Nederlandse) grammatika as die voornaamwoorde self wat hulle vervang. Vanweë hulle naam word hulle dikwels as stiefkinders behandel. 'n Bywoord is mos net bysaak, nê? Selfs mense als Bilderdijk het hulle in die vroeë 1800s reeds kwaad daaroor gemaak.

Kan ons die term "voornaamwoordelike bywoorde" sommer omdraai en hulle "bywoordelike voornaamwoorde" noem? Dit druk ook hulle tweeslagtige natuur uit, maar doen meer reg aan hulle grammatikale rol. Jcwf (kontak) 18:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Dit klink goed so, maar ek is ongelukkig nie 'n taalkundige nie (ek het rekenaarwetenskap studeer). Jy moet dus maar die leiding neem as dit by die tegniese aspekte kom. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 19:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Vanuit 'n taalkundige perspektief word hierdie goed (internasionaal) "voornaamwoordelike bywoorde" genoem, aangesien hulle juis bywoorde is wat voornaamwoordelik optree. Ons moet asb. nie die term verander nie - dit is goed gevestig! (Terloops ook: Ek dink darem nie bywoorde word meer in moderne grammatikas van die afgelope vyftig jaar as "stiefkinders" behandel nie :-) Geebee100 (kontak) 05:29, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Wie is "ons" Geebee? Ek het jou nog nooit sien bydra nie. Jcwf (kontak) 11:53, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Met "ons" bedoel ek die Wiktionarygemeenskap. So gesien is dit eintlik tans primêr jy, Jcwf (as ek jou opmerkings in 'n ander onderwerp reg verstaan het)? Ek is inderdaad 'n nuweling hier op Wiktionary, want ek het nog nooit eintlik regtig verstaan wat hier aangaan nie. Maar ek wil niemand se turf bedreig of so nie ... As dit ongevraagd is, dan stoot ek liewer my energie elders in. Die laaste ding waarby ek betrokke wil raak, is die "Wikipedia-politiek" ... Geebee100 (kontak) 15:11, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Indien jy nog hier is, Geebee100, het jy dalk al agtergekom dat jy jou tyd met hierdie knopkop verspil. Sy houding en taalgebruik is 'n vooorbeeld van die ondergang van Afrikaans. Ek het nog nie eers probeer om hier by te dra nie - en het gelukkig ook nie die tyd afgestaan om te probeer nie. Timflamink (kontak) 07:39, 7 Mei 2020 (UTC)

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers

The Readers web team will be deploying a new feature this week to make it easier to download PDF versions of articles on the mobile website.

Providing better offline functionality was one of the highlighted areas from the research done by the New Readers team in Mexico, Nigeria, and India. The teams created a prototype for mobile PDFs which was evaluated by user research and community feedback. The prototype evaluation received positive feedback and results, so development continued.

For the initial deployment, the feature will be available to Google Chrome browsers on Android. Support for other mobile browsers to come in the future. For Chrome, the feature will use the native Android print functionality. Users can choose to download a webpage as a PDF. Mobile print styles will be used for these PDFs to ensure optimal readability for smaller screens.

The feature is available starting Wednesday, Nov 15. For more information, see the project page on MediaWiki.org.

Baie dankie!

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 22:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Kleure

Kleure is 'n bietjie 'n internasionale probleem. In die een taal word hulle as selfstandige naamwoorde beskou, in die ander as byvoeglike. Eintlik is hulle nes die telwoorde gespesialiseerde naamwoorde wat soms byvoeglik, soms selfstandig kan wees. Anders as telwoorde word hulle gewoonlik nie as 'n eie (sub)woordklas beskou. 'n Ander item vir die lys met probleme wat opgelos moet word. Jcwf (kontak) 23:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Kleurname word tradisioneel in Afrikaans primêr as b.nw. gesien, sekondêr as s.nw. Woordeboeke soos die HAT en die WAT bied daarom ook die b.nw. eerste aan, gevolg deur die s.nw. M.i. kan ons gerus maar dieselfde patroon hier volg. Geebee100 (kontak) 05:33, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Transliterasie-inskrywings

Wat maak ons met inskrywing soos Armeense transliterasie, Oekraïense transliterasie, Russiese transliterasie en Angel-Saksiese alfabet? Kan ons dit na die Wiktionary-naamruimte skuif? Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 06:58, 9 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Ja, dink ek. Dis inligting oor bepaalde tale of skrifte, nie woordeboek goeters nie. Jcwf (kontak) 16:20, 10 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Uitgevoer

Dankie Jcwf!

Ons ou vriende...

Frank, Jaap: dit sal regtig graaf wees indien julle ons ou vriende hier skep – interessant, onmiddellik, finansieel met meervoude, asook kommersieel met meervoud! Groete! 07:22, 10 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Ons sal so maak, Oesjaar. Sien asb. ook Wiktionary:Versoeke. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 07:24, 10 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Uitgevoer

Woordsoortontleding

Kry mens programme wat woordsoortontleding in Afrikaans kan doen? Die Ingelse taalkundiges praat van 'n "Part-of-speech tagger". So iets sal geweldig baie kan help. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 18:03, 10 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Hallo Frank. Ek dink die kodewoord is "morphological analyser" op Google. Ek kon wel twee programme opspoor in ander tale, maar ek weet nie hoe akkuraat hulle is nie. Legible Latin werk absoluut soos 'n droom, hoewel hy 'n woord soos vocitatus glad nie herken nie (tog wel!); gelukkig is daardie woord reeds by die Engelse Wiktionary opgeneem (wat dit weer by Franse woordeboeke gekry het?). Dan het ek vanoggend afgekom op https://nlp.fi.muni.cz/czech-morphology-analyser/. Die programme kom nog uit 1995 aan. Die Duitse weergawe is by: http://morphy.wolfganglezius.de/download/. Onder Löwe (Leeu) spoeg hy die volgende uit:

SUB Löwe NOM MAS SIN

Onder Löwen (Leeu/Leeus) wel:

SUB Löwe GEN MAS SIN

SUB Löwe DAT MAS SIN

SUB Löwe AKK MAS SIN

SUB Löwe NOM MAS PLU

SUB Löwe GEN MAS PLU

SUB Löwe DAT MAS PLU

SUB Löwe AKK MAS PLU

Onder Panther (luiperd, panter) kry jy egter almal onder een dak:

SUB Panther NOM MAS SIN

SUB Panther DAT MAS SIN

SUB Panther AKK MAS SIN

SUB Panther NOM MAS PLU

SUB Panther GEN MAS PLU

SUB Panther AKK MAS PLU

Wat mis ons?

Panthers

SUB Panther GEN MAS SIN

Panthern

SUB Panther DAT MAS PLU

Dit klop 100% met die Duitse Wiktionary-inskrywing (https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Panther). Ek besef nou eers hoe onreëlmatig Duits kan raak... Ek dink egter nie Afrikaans het so iets ontwikkel nie. Suidpunt (kontak) 04:53, 13 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Dankie vir die interessantste inligting. Ek sal later verder oor die onderwerp nalees. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 15:28, 20 Desember 2017 (UTC)

In Afrikaans noem ons 'n "part-of-speech tagger" 'n "woordsoortetiketteerder". Daar is al 'n klompie van hulle vir Afrikaans ontwikkel, waarvan die ene van die Noordwes-Universiteit meestal die basis vorm vir ander wat daarop wil verbeter. Kyk byvoorbeeld hierdie artikel: https://www.ajol.info/index.php/salas/article/view/6661. Die dokumentasie, data en kode van die jongste weergawe is hier beskikbaar: https://repo.sadilar.org/handle/20.500.12185/323. CTexT (aan die NWU) het ook 'n webmodule geskep wat 'n pyplyn skep vir die outomatiese annotering van tekste, waaronder woordsoortetikettering. Tot slot: In beginsel kan 'n mens nie daarop vertrou om woordsoortetiketteerders tussen tale te gebruik nie. Ons het uitvoerig navorsing hieroor gedoen, en dit word ten sterkste afgeraai om dit blindelings te gebruik. Geebee100 (kontak) 05:43, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Frases en vaste begrippe

Hallo Leute.

Drie vrae, waarmee, dink ek, veral Gebruiker:Jcwf kan help.

VRAAG 1 Ek kom onlangs af op die volgende (gottwein.de):

"LATYN": Nostri consocii crustulis memorialibus utuntur. Concedis, si legere pergis.

"AFRIKAANS": Ons vennote gebruik koekies. Deur verder te lees, stem jy toe. [Letterlik: jy stem toe, deur verder te lees]

Mag mens hierdie "begrip" (letterlik: geheuebrokkies of geheuekoekies) net so as soekwoord/lemma/hofie gebruik? [Ek weet net nie of ons hier die ablatief, akkusatief of nominatief het nie - daarmee is ek maar dom].

Dit is ablatief meervoud.

VRAAG 2

Die 32 Bataljon het die slagspreuk/leuse gehad: PROELIO PROCUSI. Kan hierdie leuse (of, vaste bewoording) soos "carpe diem" ook soos by vraag 1 gebruik word, of hoe nou? Eintlik raak dit nou vrekmoeilik, want onder elke liewe vervoeging sal ons 'n voorbeeldsin moet aanhaal. Ons sal die carpe diem dus onder "dies" (nominatief, enkelvoud, onsydig) en carpo moet plaas?

Op nl.wikt het ons nooit regtig tot goeie afsprake daaoroor gekom nie, omdat daar nog derduisende ander goeter was wat ons aandag gevra het. Dis seker legitiem om carpe diem onder 'n Latynse lemma dies as uitdrukking op teneem. Ek dink Manie het 'n idioom-opskrif geskep om ook 'n bladsy carpe diem moontlik te maak, maar ek het my nooi so hiervoor geïnteresseer nie. Jcwf (kontak) 13:38, 23 Desember 2017 (UTC)

VRAAG 3

Hoe maak mens as Afrikaans/Nederlands één woord het wat in ander tale dikwels "veelwoordig" is, soos voetstoots? In Duits sien ek skryf hulle oor dieselfde aangeleentheid gekauft wie gesehen. In Trümpelmann staan daar weer unbesehen, wat heeltemal onwaar is. Deur voetstoots te koop beteken dit om wel iets te koop, soos die HAT stel: met sigbare en onsigbare gebreke. Die tweede deel is "sommer so", "sonder nadere ondersoek", maar hier het ons te make met beeldspraak: Ek kan nie hierdie aantyging voetstoots aanvaar nie.

Dis een van die redes waarom ons verskeie wikti's het en die poging om een omega-wiki daarvan te skep met 'n relasionele database nie regtig geslaag is nie. Ja daar is woorde wat nie met een woord vertaal kan word. Vertaal is nie een-op-een nie. Die indeling van die inligtings sal dus op en.wikt, de.wikt ens. effens verskil. In die vertaalblokkie kan of gekies word vir 'n omskrywing wat dikwels nie geskakel word nie ofwel daar kom geen vertaling nie. Dis ook een van die redes waarom verskeie vertaalblokke, voorbeeldsinne en prentjies belangrik is om die betekenisdefinisie te onderbou. Soms is daar egter vaste verbindings soos "byvoeglike naamwoord" wat hulle eie bladsy verdien. Die Franse gee hieraan 'n eie opskrif soos locution nominale. Ons kan oorweeg om hiervoor ook 'n opskriffie te bedink. Maar soos gesê: daar wag nog derduisende eenvoudiger goeters op 'n beskrywing. Jcwf (kontak) 13:38, 23 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Post Scriptum: as 'n internetramp gebeur en ek nog nie geantwoord het nie - Geseënde Kersfees. Suidpunt (kontak) 08:56, 23 Desember 2017 (UTC)

Dankie, en dieselfde!

Voorspoedige 2018!

Aan die Wikiwoordeboek gemeenskap: dankie vir al julle bydraes in 2017! Die Wikipedia hoogtepunt vir 2018 is ongetwyfeld die Wikimania-konferensie in Kaapstad in Julie! Ons Wikiwoordeboek groei mooi! knap gedaan Frank en Jaap! Oesjaar (kontak) 06:12, 1 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Baie dankie vir die ondersteuning, Oesjaar. Ons het hard gewerk en hoop om die projek tot groot hoogstes in 2018 te dryf. Voorspoed ook aan ons kollegas by die Afrikaanse Wikipedia. Mag die voorspoed julle algar verveel. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 08:11, 1 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

'n Voorspoedige 2018!Jcwf (kontak) 15:55, 1 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Nm- en fm-sjablone

Wat maak ons met {{-nm-}} soos by filet en {{-fm-}} soos by tien? Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 10:33, 10 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek sien {{-fm-}} word {{fm}}, maar daar is nog nie 'n ooreenstemmende {{nm}} nie.

Die fm-goeters is 'n stelselmatige ding omdat die meeste vroulike woord nou ook as manlik behandel kan word. Ander kombinasies soos m-n of f-n of m-f-n is lukraak en ek dink ons het geen aparte slablone nodig nie. Ons kan net {{m}}/{{n}} skryf. Dis 'n ander rede waarom ek die opskrifte {{-nm-}} verafsku. Ons moenie reelmaat beweer waar nie reelmaat is nie. Jcwf (kontak) 22:32, 4 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Posisie 68!

Die Afrikaanse woordeboek het die Sisiliaanse een verbygesteek en is nou nommer 68. Goed gedoen Frank en Jaap! Groete! Oesjaar (kontak) 12:19, 16 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Dankie Oesjaar! Latyn met 20977 inskrywings is volgende in ons visier. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 15:01, 16 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Eh Ja Frank, maar hulle is 'n bewegende teiken en ek dink hulle beweeg vinniger as ons... Jcwf (kontak) 19:36, 16 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia skakel

Kan mens 'n enkele woord in Wikipedia skakel met 'n inskrywing in die wikiwoordeboek? JMK (kontak) 21:44, 27 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Dit lyk of [[wikt:]] werk. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 21:46, 27 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

19,000 woorde!

Goed gedoen julle! Oesjaar (kontak) 05:29, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Dankie. Wanneer kan ons jou eerste inskrywing verwag? Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 06:41, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Gebruiker:Alias stel in woordeboekmaak belang, maar sover ek verstaan is hy nie oortuig van die wikiwoordeboek se formaat nie. Nietemin, aangesien ons meer hande nodig het, sal dit baie doen as iemand hom kan oortuig. JMK (kontak) 13:30, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek sal graag sy sieninge daaromtrent wil hoor. Ons het talle veranderinge in die laaste paar maande deurgevoer, en daar is nog heelwat ruimte vir verbetering. Kan jy hom dalk nooi om dit hier te bespreek. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 14:50, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek sal nie graag sy sieninge daaromtrent wil hoor nie. Mense wat hier nie wil bydra nie is wat my betref nie welkom om baas te kom speel nie. Jcwf (kontak) 17:31, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Gelukkig het jou siening van sy siening soveel waarde as 'n mank hond se blaf. Jou "baas te kom speel" is 'n geval van iemand wat nie enige ander haan op sy mishoop wil laat kraai nie - en 'n perfekte geval van die pot wat die ketel verwyt, om dit sagkens te stel. Timflamink (kontak) 22:02, 7 Mei 2020 (UTC)

Frank, ek trek maar swaer op ons Wiki, lyk my al die gebruikers het verdwyn. Aliwal het hartomleiding gehad vier weke terug, jy is weg, Suidpunt het verdwyn en die Maroela Medium bedraers is ook uit aksie. Tans is dit net ek, Voya, Sören en K175 wat bydraes maak. Groete! Oesjaar (kontak) 05:55, 2 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Hou moed! Aliwal sal DV eersdaags terug wees. As jy vasbrand, laat weet dan kom help ons. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 16:47, 2 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Vaste uitdrukking

Is daar 'n sjabloon vir vaste uitdrukkings waarin 'n woord gebruik word? JMK (kontak) 09:24, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Daar is {{-uitdruk-}} en {{spreekwoorde}}. Jcwf (kontak) 13:10, 29 Januarie 2018 (UTC)

Klankopnames

Weet iemand dalk van Afrikaanse klankopnames in die openbare domein wat ons in woorde kan versnipper? Elke Afrikaanse woord kort so 'n klankgreep in 'n manlike en vroulike stem. Alternatiewelik, as iemand bereid is om die woorde vir ons op te neem sal dit ook werk. Die Afrikaans 100-woordelys 'n goeie plek om te begin. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 13:01, 3 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Wat mens nodig het:

Jy moet 'n moedertaalspreker wees.

'n Goeie mikrofoon, soos H4N (ingeboude mikrofoons is dikwels nie goed genoeg nie)

'n Ruimte wat stil is. (geen agtergrondgeluid of geraas asseblief)

Gratis geluid-sagteware soos Audacity op jou rekenaar

Geduld en tyd.

1. Maak 'n lys van die woorde wat jy gaan inspreek. (10-20 of so.)
2. Spreek hulle duidelik maar natuurlik in. Vermy "letter-uitspraak", praat soos jy normaal sou praat.
3. Maak seker dat:
   1. jy die resultaat krities beluister (Die hele wiktionary-wêreld wil/gaan jou stem hoor!)
   2. die opname 'n goeie sterkte het,
   3. dit duidelik en sonder vervorming is
   4. jy nie in die mikrofoon geblaas het nie, met jou lippe gesmak ens.
4. Knip die opname in aparte lêers
5. stoor hulle as .ogg lêers.
6. Noem die lêer van die woord "watterwoordook": af-watterwoordook.ogg: met prefiks af- en die juiste spelling van die woord. (Klein letter tensy dit altyd 'n hoofletter kry)
7. gaan na commons om hulle op te laai. (Ek glo jy kan 10 tegelyk doen)
8. dit behoort as Category:Afrikaans pronunciation|watterwoordook gekategoriseer te word. (Anders kom alles onder "af")

Hier op die Afrikaanse wikiwoordeboek word die klankopname so op die bladsy gesit:

{{-uitspraak-}}
:{{woordklank|ipa=|t=af|o=1}}

Die klanklêer sal dalk nogtans ook dankbaar op ander wikiwoordeboeke gebruik word. Jy kan dit self doen, maar die sintaks is op ieder werf effens anders. Respekteer asseblief die plaaslike gebruike.

Jcwf (kontak) 23:32, 3 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Voorbeeldblad

As ons 'n woord het wat baie volledig uiteengesit is moet ons dit miskien as 'n voorbeeldblad aandui. Dis vir my bv. onduidelik in watter volgorde die hofies moet wees, of wanneer woorde deur kommas geskei, of met nommers gelys moet word. En as dit moontlik is om die voorbeeldblad sommer hier in die linkerbaan aan te dui vir maklike verwysing sal dit goed wees. Dankie vir die wenk dat verskillende betekenisse deur nommers met mekaar geskakel word. Dit was ook nie dadelik intuïtief nie. JMK (kontak) 19:58, 7 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Die sjablone wat onder die teksboks gelys is, is min of meer in die gewenste volgorde. Die oorspronklike voorbeeldblad is by Wiktionary:Sjabloon/Afrikaans (hoewel ons ondertussen effens daarvan begin afwyk het). Die beste is om by die diep kant in te spring en te kyk hoe die mense jou inskrywings korrigeer. Dit het my meer as 'n maand geneem om op dreef te kom, maar die nuutgeskepte dokumentasie behoort die proses aansienlik te versnel. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 20:29, 7 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

'n Skakel na hierdie teksboks asb. JMK (kontak) 21:39, 7 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek het begin om die huidige formaat -wat natuurlik nog aan die verander is- beter te beskrywe. Sien Wiktionary:Formaat. Jcwf (kontak) 14:03, 8 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Sien Lêer:Teksboks op die Afrikaanse Wiktionary.png. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 15:13, 8 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Begeerde inskrywing

Maak daar vir ons 'n inskrywing oor concerto, toe? K175 (kontak) 10:16, 10 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Uitgevoer. Kyk maar of dit reg lyk. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 10:38, 10 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Bots begeerd

Kan ons asseblief 'n bot-meester vind wat alle {{-af-}} in {{=af=}} en alle :*{{ in :{{ en alle woord·af·bre·kings in woord•af•bre•kings kan wysig? Ek het niks teen formaatwysigings nie, behalwe dat dit dikwels so veel werk oplewer dat eintlik net 'n bot dit kan doen en formaatwysigings moet (volledig) uitgevoer word, omdat anders daar heeltemaal geen formaat meer is nie. Net chaos wat dodelik vir hierdie projek is. En ja ander wikiwoordeboeke het met dieselfde probleem gestoei. En ja hulle is soms dood. Jcwf (kontak) 19:01, 10 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

En ja mense met "sienings" kan baie dodelik wees. Dit het verskeie kere geblyk. Jcwf (kontak) 19:05, 10 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Natuurlik, hierdie is klein veranderinkies wat mens maklik in 'n agtermiddag kan standaardiseer. Ek is net nie 100% seker oor die :{{ nie. Miskien moet dit net so 'n rukkie los voordat ons 'n bot opsaal. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 19:19, 10 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Kort julle nog hulp hiermee? K175 (kontak) 17:20, 16 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek het reeds 'n bot hiervoor opgelei. Dankie in elke geval. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 17:26, 16 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

👍 K175 (kontak) 22:13, 16 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Video

Ietsie om na te luister terwyl julle aan ons woordeboek werk:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm1nUFetfh0

Geniet! Naudefj (kontak) 16:54, 12 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Wikiquote

Weet julle wat aangaan by Wikiquote? Daar is geen administrateurs of burokrate nie. Hoe kry ons hierdie projek aan die gang? K175 (kontak) 18:04, 17 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek dink daar gaan net mooi niks aan nie. Betrek die plek, doen aansoek vir administrateurskap en nooi ons sodat ons jou kan instem. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 18:17, 17 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Ongelukkig gaan daar baie min aan by af.wikiquote. En dit geld ook vir wikibooks en ander goeters. Ons het nie genoeg mense nie, K175. Selfs hierdie woordeboekwerf se bestaansreg is twyfelagtig en dit het 7 jaar stilgestaan. Daar was lank net genoeg kritiese massa om af.wiki aan die gang te hou. Maar wikiwoordeboek gee my nou hoop dat dit gaan verbeter.Jcwf (kontak) 18:23, 17 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Kan ons begin deur die burokrate hier en by Wikipedia te betrek vir administrateurskap by Wikiquote? Ek wil solank net 'n robotvlag daar kry (vir verwelkoming), en daarvoor het ons 'n admin nodig! K175 (kontak) 18:52, 17 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Ek dink nie een van ons sal maklik adminregte bekom, tensy ons daar betrokke raak nie. Die beste is om self betrokke te raak en dan vir regte aansoek te doen. Aan die ander kant het 'n bot wat net nou en dan bywerkings doen nie spesiale regte nodig nie. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 19:57, 17 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Goed 👍 Dankie vir die insette. K175 (kontak) 20:38, 17 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Besoek

hmm., HMM!

'n Mooi opwaartse kurwe. Ek dink dit beteken wat ons doen vind inslag. Maar hoe lui die spreekwoord... "elke dassie prys sy eie kwassie" :-) Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 06:36, 21 Februarie 2018 (UTC)

Tydperke

Die geologiese tydperke is effens 'n probleem. Daar is gewoonlik 'n selfstandige naamwoord en 'n bybehorende byvoeglike. As ek die HAT goed begryp het die s.nw. Mesosoïkum 'n hoofletter, maar die b.nw. is mesosoïes met kleinletter. Die tydperk Jura kryg nogtans 'n b.nw. Jurassies in HAT, wat nogtans ook dikwels (anglisisties?) as s.nw. gebruik word.

'n Ander probleem is dat daar dikwels verskillende benamings gebruik word, selfs in skoolmateriale. Ek sien byv. Kainosoïkum op wiki, maar Senosoïkum in HAT. Is dit net sinonime of is Kaino- nie Afrikaans nie? Wat is die b.nw. van Kryt? Van Karboon? (Indien dit bestaan?) Ek het Ordovikium gesien naas Ordovisium. Ensomeer.

Gedagtes? Jcwf (kontak) 17:49, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

PAW Patrol! Geen klus te groot en geen pup te klein!

WAT: Kainosoïkum: Minder gewoon vir Senosoïkum. Bl. 143, WAT, Deel V, J-KJ, 1975. Suidpunt (kontak) 18:11, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

Karbonies - 2. (geol.) Van, betreffende, beh. tot die Karboon; Karboon-; Karboniese formasie, gesteentes, lae. (bl. 325, WAT, Deel V, J-KJ, 1975.)

Die res van die woordeboeke het ek nie, wel in die dorpsbiblioteek. Suidpunt (kontak) 18:17, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

Volgens die aanlyn HAT is Mesosoïkum en Mesosoïes albei met hoofletters. Jura is die selfstandige naam en Jurassies die byvoeglike naamwoord. Kainosoïkum en Senosoïkum is sinonieme. Ek het die geologiese tydperke op Wikipedia gedoen en het die name deeglik (dink ek) nagevors. Karbonies is Karboon se byvoeglike naamwoord, maar ek dink nie Kryt het een nie. Winstonza (kontak) 18:21, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

Jammer ek skryf nou eers, ek skryf nou in my aandklere. M & M: korrek. J & J: korrek. K & S: korrek. Kryt: Nee, ek dink ons plak net Kryt- vooraan. Anders word dit miskien Krities, en dit is erg verwarrend. Ek dink ek kan miskien een of ander tyd in die bib gaan kyk (Valerie Worth-Stylianou se French: A handbook of grammar... moet buitendien 6 Maart ingelewer word), lys maar die name so deurentyd. Suidpunt (kontak) 18:45, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

O, ekskuus, ek sien nou eers dis Winston! :) Ek het my vergis. Ek het gedog dis Jcwf, hy het mos nie 'n WAT nie. Suidpunt (kontak) 18:48, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

Voorstel vir enigiemand met ernstige taalvrae wat darem baiemaal kundig bespreek sal word deur onder meer gerekende leksikograwe: Sluit jou aan by die groep Taaltameletjies op Facebook. Hulle het my al dikwels gehelp. Mieliestronk (kontak) 18:46, 2 Maart 2018 (UTC)

20 000 woorde!

Geluk aan die woordeboek gemeenskap met 20,000 woorde! Doen so voort! Groete! Oesjaar (kontak) 13:17, 13 Maart 2018 (UTC)

Dankie Oesjaar! Om die volgende trappie te klim het ons opnames nodig sodat mense kan hoor hoe die woorde uitgespreek word. Daar is geen beter manier om die taal te dokumenteer en dit vir mense regoor die wêreld toeganklik te maak nie. Kan jy dalk help om voorbrand hiervoor te maak? Mens kan selfs vir Maroela se span om hulp nader. Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 14:12, 13 Maart 2018 (UTC)

Tell us what you think about the automatic links for Wiktionary

Hello all,

(Sorry for writing in English. Feel free to translate this message below.)

One year ago, the Wikidata team started deploying new automatic interwiki links for Wiktionaries. Today, the links for the main namespace are automatically displayed by a Mediawiki extension, and the links for other namespaces are stored in Wikidata. You can find the documentation here (feel free to help translating it in your language).

We would like to know if you encountered problems with the system, if you would have suggestions for further improvements. This could be for example:

• Some automatic links don’t work as expected
• Some problems you encountered with entering links (for non-main namespace) in Wikidata
• Some new features you’d like to have, related to links

To give feedback, you have two options:

• Let a message on this talk page
• Let a message here. If you do so, please mention me with the {{ping}} template, so I can get a notification.

Our preferred languages are English, French and German, but you can also let a message in your own language if you feel more comfortable with it.

I’m looking forward for your feedback! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 10:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

AdvancedSearch

Vanaf die 8ste Mei sal AdvancedSearch as 'n beta funksie in jou wiki beskikbaar wees. Die funksie verbeter die soekbladsy deur 'n gevorderde parametervorm en het die doel om bestaande soekopsies vir amal meer sigbaar en toeganklik te maak. AdvancedSearch is 'n projek van WMDE Tegniese Wense. Almal word uitgenooi om die funksie uit te toets, en ons hoop dat dit handig te pas sal kom in julle werk!

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:44, 7 Mei 2018 (UTC)

Lexicographical data is now available on Wikidata

Hello,

Sorry for writing in English. Feel free to translate the content of this message below.

After several years discussing about it, and one year of development and discussion with the communities, the development team of Wikimedia Germany has now released the first version of lexicographical data support on Wikidata.

Since the start of Wikidata in 2012, the multilingual knowledge base was mainly focused on concepts: Q-items are related to a thing or an idea, not to the word describing it. Starting now, Wikidata stores a new type of data: words, phrases and sentences, in many languages, described in many languages. This information will be stored in new types of entities, called Lexemes, Forms and Senses.

The goal of lexicographical data on Wikidata is to provide a structured and machine-readable way to describe words and phrases in multiple languages, stored in a same place, reusable under CC-0. In the near future, this data will be available for Wiktionaries and other projects to reuse, as much as you want to.

For now, we’re at the first steps of this project: the new data structure has been released on Wikidata, and we’re looking for people to try it, and give us feedback on what is working or not. Participating to this project is the opportunity for you to have a voice in it, to make sure that your needs and requests are taken in account very early in the process, and to start populating Wikidata with words in your language!

Here’s how you can try lexicographical data on Wikidata:

• First of all, if you’re not familiar with the data model, I encourage you to have a look at the documentation page. If you’re not familiar with Wikidata at all, I suggest this page as a start point.
• You can also look at the Lexemes that already exists (search features will be improved in the future).
• When you feel ready to create a word, go on d:Special:NewLexeme.
• If some properties that you need are missing, you can suggest them on this page (if you’re not sure how to do it, just let a message on the talk page and someone will help you).
• The main discussion page is d:Wikidata:Lexicographical data. Here, you can ask for help, suggest ways to organize the data, but also leave feedback: if you encounter any bug or issue, let us know. We’re looking especially to know what are the most important features for you to be worked on next.

In any case, feel free to contact me if you have a question or problem, I’ll be very happy to help.

Cheers, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 12:20, 23 Mei 2018 (UTC)

Update on page issues on mobile web

Update on page issues on mobile web

Help met die vertaal na uw taal Hi everyone. The Readers web team has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.

So far, we have drafted a proposal on the design and implementation of the project. We were also able to run user testing on the proposed designs. The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned:

• The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
• Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
• Readers care about page issues and consider them important
• Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues

Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please visit the project page where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please leave feedback on the talk page.

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:57, 12 Junie 2018 (UTC)

Global preferences are available

Global preferences are now available, you can set them by visiting your new global preferences page. Visit mediawiki.org for information on how to use them and leave feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

19:19, 10 Julie 2018 (UTC)

Consultation on the creation of a separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS

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Hi all,

I'm preparing a change in who can edit sitewide CSS/JS pages. (These are pages like MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Vector.js which are executed in the browser of all readers and editors.) Currently all administrators are able to edit these pages, which poses a serious and unnecessary security risk. Soon, a dedicated, smaller user group will take over this task. Your community will be able to decide who belongs in this group, so this should mean very little change for you. You can find out more and provide feedback at the consultation page on Meta. If you are involved in maintaining CSS/JS code, or policymaking around adminship requests, please give it a look!

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 08:45, 12 Julie 2018 (UTC) (via global message delivery)

New user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS

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Hi all!

To improve the security of our readers and editors, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed. (These are pages like MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Vector.js which contain code that is executed in the browsers of users of the site.) A new user group, interface-admin, has been created. Starting four weeks from now, only members of this group will be able edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage).

You can learn more about the motivation behind the change here.

Please add users who need to edit CSS/JS to the new group (this can be done the same way new administrators are added, by stewards or local bureaucrats). This is a dangerous permission; a malicious user or a hacker taking over the account of a careless interface-admin can abuse it in far worse ways than admin permissions could be abused. Please only assign it to users who need it, who are trusted by the community, and who follow common basic password and computer security practices (use strong passwords, do not reuse passwords, use two-factor authentication if possible, do not install software of questionable origin on your machine, use antivirus software if that's a standard thing in your environment).

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 13:08, 30 Julie 2018 (UTC) (via global message delivery)

Wiktionary Cognate Dashboard

Screenshot of the Hub view

Sorry for writing this message in English. Feel free to help translate it below.

Hello all,

A few months ago, we asked you for feedback about Cognate, the system allowing interwikilinks between Wiktionaries (on main namespace). Several community members gave some suggestions, one of them was to provide statistics about these interwikilinks.

The Wikidata team is pleased to present you the Wiktionary Cognate Dashboard, a website presenting a lot of interesting information about how Wiktionaries are connected to each others. You can find there, for example:

• the most interlinked Wiktionary entries not having a page on your Wiktionary
• the number of interlinks between each possible pair of Wiktionaries
• visualizations of the relationships between different Wiktionaries

To learn more about the tool, you can have a look at the documentation (please help us translating it in your language!). The interface of the tool itself can also be translated in other languages by using this page.

If you find a bug, please let a comment on this Phabricator task or ping me onwiki. Thanks a lot, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 13:08, 14 Augustus 2018 (UTC)

Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now

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Hi all,

as announced previously, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed: only members of the interface-admin (Koppelvlakadministrateurs) group, and a few highly privileged global groups such as stewards, can edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage). This is done to improve the security of readers and editors of Wikimedia projects. More information is available at Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS. If you encounter any unexpected problems, please contact me or file a bug.

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 12:39, 27 Augustus 2018 (UTC) (via global message delivery)

Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October

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The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its secondary data centre. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic to the secondary data center on Wednesday, 12 September 2018. On Wednesday, 10 October 2018, they will switch back to the primary data center.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop when we switch. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

• You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Wednesday, 12 September and Wednesday, 10 October. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Thursday 13 September and Thursday 11 October).
• If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

• Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
• There will be code freezes for the weeks of 10 September 2018 and 8 October 2018. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Johan(WMF) (talk)

13:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

The GFDL license on Commons

This has been posted here because your wiki allows local file uploads. Help met die vertaal na uw taal.

Commons will no longer allow uploads of photos, paintings, drawings, audio and video that use the GFDL license and no other license. This starts after 14 October. Textbooks, manuals and logos, diagrams and screenshots from GFDL software manuals that only use the GFDL license are still allowed. Files licensed with both GFDL and an accepted license like Creative Commons BY-SA are still allowed.

There is no time limit to move files from other projects to Commons. The licensing date is all that counts. It doesn't matter when the file was uploaded or created. Every wiki that allows local uploads should check if bots, scripts and templates that are used to move files to Commons need to be updated. Also update your local policy documentation if needed.

The decision to allow files that only have a GFDL license, or not allow them, is a decision all wikis can make for themselves. Your wiki can decide to continue allowing the files that Commons will no longer allow after 14 October. If your wiki decides to continue to allow files after 14 October that Commons will no longer allow those files should not be moved to Commons. — Alexis Jazz, distributed by Johan using MassMessage

18:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Reminder: No editing for up to an hour on 10 October

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Die Wikimedia-stigting toets sy sekondêre datasentrum Dit sal verseker dat Wikipedia en die ander Wikimedia wikis aanlyn kan bly, selfs na ń ramp.

Hulle het op 12 September 2018 alle verkeer na die secondêre datasentrum verander. Op Woensdag, 10 Oktober 2018, sal hulle terug na die primêre datasentrum verander.

Ongelukkig as gevolg van sommige beperkings in MediaWiki, alle redigeerwerk moet stilstand wanneer ons verander.

U sal vir ń kort tydperk alle wikis kan lees, maar nie redigeer nie.

U sal nie toegelaat op Woensdag, 10 Oktober vir ń uur te redigeer nie. Die toets sal 'n bietjie later as 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST) begin. As u gedurende hierdie tye probeer redigeer of bewaar, sal u ń foutboodskap sien.

Hierdie projek kon uitgestel word indien dit nodig is. Jy kan die skedule lees by wikitech.wikimedia.org. Enige veranderinge sal in die skedule aangekondig word. Deel hierdie inligting asseblief met u se gemeenskap. /User:Johan(WMF) (talk)

12:03, 4 Oktober 2018 (UTC)

The Community Wishlist Survey

The Community Wishlist Survey. Help met die vertaal na uw taal.

Hey everyone,

The Community Wishlist Survey is the process when the Wikimedia communities decide what the Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech should work on over the next year.

The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. You can post technical proposals from now until 11 November. The communities will vote on the proposals between 16 November and 30 November. You can read more on the wishlist survey page.

/User:Johan (WMF)

11:05, 30 Oktober 2018 (UTC)

Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web

Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web

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Example of improvements

Hello,

In a few weeks the Readers web team will be changing how some templates look on the mobile web site. We will make these templates more noticeable when viewing the article. We ask for your help in updating any templates that don't look correct.

What kind of templates? Specifically templates that notify readers and contributors about issues with the content of an article – the text and information in the article. Examples like Template:Unreferenced or Template:More citations needed. Right now these notifications are hidden behind a link under the title of an article. We will format templates like these (mostly those that use Template:Ambox or message box templates in general) to show a short summary under the page title. You can tap on the "Learn more" link to get more information.

For template editors we have some recommendations on how to make templates that are mobile-friendly and also further documentation on our work so far.

If you have questions about formatting templates for mobile, please leave a note on the project talk page or file a task in Phabricator and we will help you.

Baie dankie!

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey vote

The Community Wishlist Survey. Help met die vertaal na uw taal.

Hey everyone,

The Community Wishlist Survey is the process when the Wikimedia communities decide what the Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech should work on over the next year.

The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. The communities have now posted a long list of technical proposals. You can vote on the proposals from now until 30 November. You can read more on the wishlist survey page.

/User:Johan (WMF)

18:13, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Advanced Search

Advanced Search will become a default feature on your wiki on November 28. This new interface allows you to perform specialized searches on the search page, even if you don’t know any search syntax. Advanced Search originates from the German Community’s Technical Wishes project. It's already a default feature on German, Arabic, Farsi and Hungarian Wikipedia. Besides, more than 40.000 users across all wikis have tested the beta version. Feedback is welcome on the central feedback page.

Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 10:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Bladsy titel verander?

Hoë verander 'n mens die titel van 'n bladsy? [Spelling van inskrywing]

Ons het nie dieselfde opsie as op die Engelse wiktionary ('move', langs wysig) nie. Beta verskil?

Ek het 'n verkeerde karakter gebruik ('ê' in plaas van 'e') en dit pla my erg.

Dankie

Kyk vir die "skuif" opsie (onder "Meer"). Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 19:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

New Wikimedia password policy and requirements

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The Wikimedia Foundation security team is implementing a new password policy and requirements. You can learn more about the project on MediaWiki.org.

These new requirements will apply to new accounts and privileged accounts. New accounts will be required to create a password with a minimum length of 8 characters. Privileged accounts will be prompted to update their password to one that is at least 10 characters in length.

These changes are planned to be in effect on December 13th. If you think your work or tools will be affected by this change, please let us know on the talk page.

Baie dankie!

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:02, 6 Desember 2018 (UTC)

Selection of the Tremendous Wiktionary User Group representative to the Wikimedia Summit 2019

Dear all,

Sorry for posting this message in English and last minute notification. The Tremendous Wiktionary User Group could send one representative to the Wikimedia Summit 2019 (formerly "Wikimedia Conference"). The Wikimedia Summit is an yearly conference of all organizations affiliated to the Wikimedia Movement (including our Tremendous Wiktionary User Group). It is a great place to talk about Wiktionary needs to the chapters and other user groups that compose the Wikimedia movement.

For context, there is a short report on what happened last year. The deadline is very close to 24 hrs. The last date for registration is 17 December 2018. As a last minute effort, there is a page on meta to decide who will be the representative of the user group to the Wikimedia Summit created.

Please feel free to ask any question on the wiktionary-l mailing list or on the talk page.

For the Tremendous Wiktionary User Group, -- Balajijagadesh 05:56, 16 Desember 2018 (UTC)

Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019

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Love is an important subject for humanity and it is expressed in different cultures and regions in different ways across the world through different gestures, ceremonies, festivals and to document expression of this rich and beautiful emotion, we need your help so we can share and spread the depth of cultures that each region has, the best of how people of that region, celebrate love.

Wiki Loves Love (WLL) is an international photography competition of Wikimedia Commons with the subject love testimonials happening in the month of February.

The primary goal of the competition is to document love testimonials through human cultural diversity such as monuments, ceremonies, snapshot of tender gesture, and miscellaneous objects used as symbol of love; to illustrate articles in the worldwide free encyclopedia Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) projects.

The theme of 2019 iteration is Celebrations, Festivals, Ceremonies and rituals of love.

Sign up your affiliate or individually at Participants page.

To know more about the contest, check out our Commons Page and FAQs

There are several prizes to grab. Hope to see you spreading love this February with Wiki Loves Love!

Kind regards,

Wiki Loves Love Team

Imagine... the sum of all love!

--MediaWiki message delivery (kontak) 10:12, 27 Desember 2018 (UTC)

FileExporter beta feature

Coming soon: the beta feature FileExporter

A new beta feature will soon be released on all wikis: The FileExporter. It allows exports of files from a local wiki to Wikimedia Commons, including their file history and page history. Which files can be exported is defined by each wiki's community: Please check your wiki's configuration file if you want to use this feature.

The FileExporter has already been a beta feature on mediawiki.org, meta.wikimedia, deWP, faWP, arWP, koWP and on wikisource.org. After some functionality was added, it's now becoming a beta feature on all wikis. Deployment is planned for January 16. More information can be found on the project page.

As always, feedback is highly appreciated. If you want to test the FileExporter, please activate it in your user preferences. The best place for feedback is the central talk page. Thank you from Wikimedia Deutschland's Technical Wishes project.

Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 09:41, 14 Januarie 2019 (UTC)

No editing for 30 minutes 17 January

You will not be able to edit the wikis for up to 30 minutes on 17 January 07:00 UTC. This is because of a database problem that has to be fixed immediately. You can still read the wikis. Some wikis are not affected. They don't get this message. You can see which wikis are not affected on this page. Most wikis are affected. The time you can't edit might be shorter than 30 minutes. /Johan (WMF)

14:47, 16 Januarie 2019 (UTC)

Talk to us about talking

The Wikimedia Foundation is planning a global consultation about communication. The goal is to bring Wikimedians and wiki-minded people together to improve tools for communication.

We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis, whatever their experience, their skills or their devices.

We are looking for input from as many different parts of the Wikimedia community as possible. It will come from multiple projects, in multiple languages, and with multiple perspectives.

We are currently planning the consultation. We need your help.

We need volunteers to help talk to their communities or user groups.

You can help by hosting a discussion at your wiki. Here's what to do:

1. First, sign up your group here.
2. Next, create a page (or a section on a Village pump, or an e-mail thread – whatever is natural for your group) to collect information from other people in your group. This is not a vote or decision-making discussion: we are just collecting feedback.
3. Then ask people what they think about communication processes. We want to hear stories and other information about how people communicate with each other on and off wiki. Please consider asking these five questions:
   1. When you want to discuss a topic with your community, what tools work for you, and what problems block you?
   2. What about talk pages works for newcomers, and what blocks them?
   3. What do others struggle with in your community about talk pages?
   4. What do you wish you could do on talk pages, but can't due to the technical limitations?
   5. What are the important aspects of a "wiki discussion"?
4. Finally, please go to Talk pages consultation 2019 on Mediawiki.org and report what you learned from your group. Please include links if the discussion is available to the public.

You can also help build the list of the many different ways people talk to each other.

Not all groups active on wikis or around wikis use the same way to discuss things: it can happen on wiki, on social networks, through external tools... Tell us how your group communicates.

You can read more about the overall process on mediawiki.org. If you have questions or ideas, you can leave feedback about the consultation process in the language you prefer.

Thank you! We're looking forward to talking with you.

Trizek (WMF) 15:00, 21 Februarie 2019 (UTC)

Read-only mode for up to 30 minutes on 11 April

You will not be able to edit most Wikimedia wikis for up to 30 minutes on 11 April 05:00 UTC. This is because of a hardware problem. You can still read the wikis. You can see which wikis are affected. The time you can not edit might be shorter than 30 minutes. /Johan (WMF)

10:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request

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The Wikimedia Foundation has published a Medium-Term Plan proposal covering the next 3–5 years. We want your feedback! Please leave all comments and questions, in any language, on the talk page, by April 20. Baie dankie! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Uitspraakriglyne

Is daar iewers riglyne wat geld vir die IPA-weergawe van uitspraak op die Afrikaanse Wiktionary? Ek sou graag wou weet – slegs as voorbeeld – waarom "mooi" getranskribeer word as [moːɪ̯]? In al my jare wat ek in die Afrikaanse taalkunde werk, het ek dit nog nie teëgekom dat ons 'n [ɪ] in Afrikaans kry nie; ook nie dat ons nonsillabiese annotasie soos [ɪ̯] gebruik nie. Dit is meer gebruiklik om dit te transkribeer as [moi], of in my dialek as [mɔi]. Dit is selfs deesdae gebruiklik om nie lengte [ː] aan te dui nie, behalwe in gevalle waar rekking ter sprake is. 'n Ander geval is byvoorbeeld die aanduiding van sillabegrense, wat lyk asof dit nie konsekwent gedoen word nie. Ek sou byvoorbeeld "die mooiste" transkribeer as [di ˈmoi.stə], waar [ˈ] primêre klem aandui en [.] 'n sillabegrens. Ek wil nou nie dwars wees en goed gaan verander as daar iewers 'n verantwoorde riglyn hieroor bestaan nie. Met die samestelling van die IFA-tabel in die nuutste Afrikaanse woordelys en spelreëls (2017) het ons baie moeite gedoen om dit ooreenkomstig nuutste insigte en praktyke te probeer standaardiseer. Maar dit is natuurlik nie die alfa en die omega nie; ek luister graag as daar hier ander riglyne geld. Geebee100 (kontak) 06:04, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ek weet niks van Afrikaanse transkribering nie. Jy kan seker reg het dat [ɪ] ontereg is vir Afrikaans. Vir my Nederlandse ore lyk dit of dieselfde geld vir [o]. Ek hoor net [ɔ] of 'n tweeklank [ʊə] of so. Ek dink egter dat vir tweeklanke 'n nie-sillabiese annotasie verdedigbaar is. Mooi word mos nie as tweelettergrepig moo-ïe uitgespreek nie. Jy sou selfs aan [mɔj] kan dink.

Ek stem saam dat : rekking behoort aan te dui. In Nederlands het ek daarvoor baie stryd moet lewer.

Maar IFA is altyd net 'n benadering en jy kan baie baklei hoe om dit te doen. Dis hoekom ek probeer om Oesjaar se kletslêers in te voer. Manie het die meeste IFA ingevoer en hy het lank geleë verdwyn.

Maar as jy 'n konsistente manier het om IFA in te voer sou ek dit graag sien. Maar wel dat JY die werk doen. Ons het geen behoefte aan mense wat werkopdragte kom gee nie.

Dankie vir die antwoord. Ek is DEFINITIEF nie hier om opdragte te gee nie; wil graag help waar ek kan. Daarom dat ek ook eers vra, voor ek sommer net lostrek en na eie goeddunke optree.

Ek het ook 'n PhD-student wat tans werk aan 'n uitspraakwoordeboek vir Afrikaans; dit sou gaaf wees as 'n mens die data hier en haar data met mekaar kon belyn (in beide rigtings). Ons sou egter wel 'n hele klomp goed sistematies kon/wou doen - selfs met 'n transkripsieprotokol wat as vertrekpunt dien en wat 'n mens dan hier beskikbaar kan stel vir toekomstige gebruikers.

Ek dink ook ons sal probeer om dit sistematies te doen deur gebruik te maak van die "Python Wikipedia Robot Framework". Ons is nog eers besig om die kode te verken, ook met die ondersteuning van Naudefj

Tot slot, oor die nie-sillabiese annotasie: Anna Coetzee het, na my wete, in haar werk altyd breking met 'n halfvokaal aangedui, dus bv. iets soos [mɔʲi]. Soos jy sê, 'n mens sou seker vir ure hieroor kon argumenteer; dalk kom 'n mens dan nie eers by 'n antwoord uit nie ... Die AWS se houding was dus 'n bietjie pragmaties: Transkribeer sonder die fynste fonetiese wisseling wat moontlik is, maar verskaf 'n transkripsie wat so algemeen as moontlik geld.

Dankie vir al jou antwoorde. Gewaardeerd! Geebee100 (kontak) 14:37, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Arabiese transliterasie

Wat is die bron vir die Arabiese transliterasies wat gebruik word in die Afrikaanse Wiktionary? Geebee100 (kontak) 06:07, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ek het geen idee. Manie het dit ingevoer en hy is lank weg. Jcwf (kontak) 10:54, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

As die geldigheid (en bron) hiervan nie geverifieer kan word nie, sal dit nie beter wees om dit liewer sistematies te verwyder nie? Dis tog eintlik mos 'n beginsel van Wikimedia dat inligting ten minste geverifieerd aangebied moet word? Hoor graag wat jou gevoel hieroor is. Geebee100 (kontak) 14:39, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Nee Jcwf (kontak) 15:46, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Miskien moet jy hierdie bladsy gaan lees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability. Dit sal jou dalk help om my vraag beter te verstaan? Of geld dit dus nie Wiktionary nie? Geebee100 (kontak) 05:25, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ek glo die Arabiese transliterasies kan redelik maklik bevestig word. Dit is net Afrikaans met 'n ander alfabet. Dit behoort standaardreëls te hê, maar ek is nie so talentvol nie. PixelVulpix (kontak)

Dankie, PixelVulpix. Die enigste transliterasiereëls waarvan ek bewus is, is dié wat Achmat Davids in sy verhandeling The Afrikaans of the Cape Muslims from 1815 to 1915 (onlangs gepubliseer as Die Afrikaans van die Kaapse Moslems) bespreek het. As dit die basis is van die inligting hier op Wiktionary, en as dit noukeurig ingevoer is, dan het ek vertroue daarin. Maar dit pla my dat 'n mens nie die betroubaarheid daarvan kan verifieer nie. Ken jy dalk vir Manie waarna vroeër verwys is? Geebee100 (kontak) 05:25, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Die Arabies was nog altyd verdag en ek het al talle kere onsuksesvol met Manie probeer kontak maak. Interessant genoeg kan mens die Arabiese teks kopieer en met Google Translate vertaal, wat jou soms (so amper) by die oorspronklike woord terugbring. As voorbeeld: "Mooi" -> "مَُويْ" -> "Moi". Ander werk weer glad nie: "baie" -> "بَیِی" -> "PII". Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 05:48, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ah, dankie, Naudefj. Dis 'n slim verifikasiemetode waaraan ek nie gedink het nie. Gegewe die tekortkominge van Google Translate kan 'n mens natuurlik nie volkome daarop vertrou nie, maar by 'n gebrek aan ander metodes, gee dit al 'n eerste aanduiding.

Ek probeer ook in my netwerke bepaal of Afrikaans enigsins nog produktief in Arabiese skrif voorgestel word. Tot dusver kon niemand nog bevestig dat dit wel só gebruik word nie. Dit blyk op hierdie stadium of dit slegs die oudste geskrifte in Afrikaans is wat in Arabiese skrif geskryf is, maar nie meer hede den dage nie. 'n Mens sou dan natuurlik kon wonder of dit dan nodig is hier? Ek sal in ieder geval laat weet as iemand met nuwe inligting vorendag kom. Geebee100 (kontak) 08:29, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ek het oral rondgevra en geskryf en dit blyk dat die Arabiese skrifvorm van die 1800's (soos wyd bekend is) tot die 1950's in Moesliem- religieuse tekste gebruik is. 'n Mens moet dus wonder waarom woorde soos dievolgende in Arabiese skrif aangebied word:

• anode;
• die taalkundige term volmaak verlede tyd (wat in ieder geval hoogs ongebruiklik is);
• die taalnaam Boekmaal (waarvan ek hierdie spelling ook nie in ander woordeboeke kry nie);
• oorbelastingseenheid (motoronderdeel);
• lugvaartmaatskappy.

Dat 'n woord soos wafaat of berg of hen in Arabiese skrif voorgestel word, sou natuurlik sin kon maak teen die religieuse agtergrond wat ek hier bo noem. In sulke gevalle sou 'n mens natuurlik sonder meer die Arabieseskrifinligting wou behou.

My voorstel is dus dat 'n mens alles met Arabiese skrif onttrek, evalueer en dan besluit wat behou moet word en wat nie.

Geebee100 (kontak) 04:27, 30 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Spelling tot 1909

Dié berig oor die Akademie se stigting het in die koerant Het Westen verskyn.

Wat is die bron vir die inligting onder "Spelling tot 1909"? En wat is die noodsaak hiervan? En waarom spesifiek 1909? Ek sien byvoorbeeld onder "mooi" die volgende vorme: mooi-ër, mójer, mó-jer. Waarom is daar koppeltekens in mooi-ër en mó-jer? Is dit inderdaad so gespel? Geebee100 (kontak) 06:11, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Dit is ook Manie se erfenis. Jcwf (kontak) 10:54, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Insgelyks, as die korrektheid en geldigheid hiervan nie kontroleerbaar is nie, moet ons dit nie liewer verwyder nie? Ek sou veel eerder wou sien dat 'n mens van die vroeë Afrikaanse woordelyste as basis gebruik om van die inligting outomaties te kontroleer; waar dit wel geverifieer kan word, die data te behou; en dan die bronverwysing by te voeg. Jou gevoel? Geebee100 (kontak) 14:45, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Nee

Ek het namelik baie meer respek vir iemand baie meer werk verrig het as jy. En wat kennis het gehad van aspekte van die Afrikaanse taal wat jy dalk nie besit nie of nie wil besit nie.Jcwf (kontak) 15:48, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ag, aarde, ek het nie tyd vir sulke disrespekvolle kommunikasie nie. En ek is nogal deur ander gebruikers gewaarsku teen jou ... Onthou asb. dat Wikipedia/Wiktionary groter is as jy (en jou ego), Jcwf.

Ek hoor graag wat ander gebruikers se gedagtes is. Geebee100 (kontak) 05:02, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Die spelling voor 1909 kom moontlik uit S.J. du Toit se "Patriot woordeboek", maar ek het nie nou tyd om te bevestig nie. Dis ook opmerklik dat die Suid-Afrikaanse Akademie vir Wetenskap en Kuns in 1909 gesig is (enkele jare na die aanvang van Tweede Taalbeweging). Groete. Naudefj (kontak) 06:07, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Dankie, Naudefj. Ek onderneem om 'n paar sistematiese steekproewe te doen om te sien of die "Patriot woordeboek" inderdaad die bron hiervoor is. Ek neem aan ek kan al die woorde wat só gemerk is op Wiktionary sal kan onttrek; ek beskou dit as deel van my leerkurwe op Wiktionary :-) Geebee100 (kontak) 08:34, 29 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ek kon nog nie 'n manier kry om alle woorde met "Spelling voor 1909" te onttrek nie en het daarom gebruikgemaak van "Lukrake Afr. woord" (in die linkerkantse menu) om 'n dertigtal gevalle te ondersoek. As vergelykende bronne het ek Du Toit & Kie se Patriot-woordeboek (1902; 1968-uitgawe) en Van der Merwe se Vroeë Afrikaanse woordelyste (1971) gebruik. Ek moet helaas rapporteer dat ek slegs 'n enkele geval in enige van hierdie bronne kon opspoor, te wete "form" onder vorm ... Enkele voorbeelde van woorde wat ek ondersoek het:

Afrikaner, mooi (se ander woordvorme), aanwysende voornaamwoord (gesoek as afsonderlike woorde), voltooid verlede tyd (gesoek as afsonderlike woorde), Februarie, en so meer.

Ek is dus helaas steeds nie oortuig van die korrektheid van die inligting wat hier op Wiktionary verskaf word nie. Ek sou dus twee voorstelle wou maak:

1. Dat 'n mens alle bestaande inligting onder "Spelling voor 1909" onttrek en sistematies kontroleer; en
2. Dat 'n mens probeer om die woordelyste in bogenoemde bronne te onttrek en in te voeg by bestaande en nuwe inskrywings hier op Wiktionary (en dan sulke bladsy te voorsien van 'n verwysing met behulp van die templaat.

Geebee100 (kontak) 04:45, 30 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Wysigings aan sjablone?

M.b.t. tot die sjablone:

1. Waarom word die begrip "teengesteldes" in !-- Teengesteldes -- gebruik? Bedoel dit eintlik "teenoorgesteldes", oftewel "antonieme"? As die term "sinonieme" in !-- Sinonieme -- gebruik word, sou ek graag wou voorstel dat 'n mens !-- Antonieme -- en Sjabloon:-anto- gebruik.
2. Ek sou ook graag wou sien dat !-- Antonieme -- direk op !-- Sinonieme -- volg, aangesien hulle konseptueel verbandhoudend is (d.i. op semantiese verhoudings dui).
3. Ek besef dit is onnodig punteneurig, maar kan Sjabloon:-afgelyd.w- en ====    Afleiding ==== nie maar onderskeidelik Sjabloon:-afgeleid.w- en Sjabloon:-afleid- word nie?
4. Ook punteneurig, maar kan === Telwoord=== nie maar Sjabloon:-telw- word nie? Dit volg dan nie net die patroon van die ander gevalle nie (bv. === Voegwoord===, ens.), maar ook die amptelike afkorting vir dié woordsoort. Insgelyks sou 'n mens kon oorweeg om Sjabloon:-werkw- te vervang met die goed gevestigde afkorting "ww." – dus iets soos Sjabloon:-ww-.
5. Konseptueel hoort !-- Afleiding -- vir my nie waar hy tans staan nie, maar eerder nader aan !-- Woordsoort --, en eintlik liefs naby iets soos !-- Etimologie --.
6. Sou !-- Etimologie -- in alle sjablone bygevoeg kon word?
7. Onder !-- Afleiding -- kan die gedeelte :Van ... afgelei. eerder wees: Afgelei van .... Sowieso moet die ellipsstippels m.i. tussen dubbele blokhakies wees.

Geebee100 (kontak) 06:40, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

'n Gedeelte van die antwoorde op jou vrae vind jy as jy die 'wysig'-knoppie druk en kyk onder die bewerkingsvlak. Links sien jy 'n drop down wat 'Wiktionary' sê. Regs daarvan sien jy heelparty sjablone wat die huidige formaat weergee in hulle juiste volgorde. Ons (eintlik: ek, want ons het stilgestaan) gebruik ook liewer sinoniem en antoniem. Die sjabloon vir werkwoord heet {{-ww.-}}. 'n Sjabloon {{-afgelyd.w-}} bestaan glad nie. Die sjabloon {{afgeleid}} stel mens is staat om woorde te wys wat afgeleides is van die lemmawoord en hou min met die woordsoort en glad niks met die lemmawoord se etimologie verband nie. Ja, jy sou {{-telwd-}} kan verander in {{-telw-}} maar vergeet nie dat dit baie werk oplewer nie wat van jou sal moet kom. Dieselfde geld vir etimologie. Etimologieë kan nie altyd terggevind word nie en lewer baie werk op. Dubbele blokhakies skep 'n wikiskakel en kan dus nie rond ellipsstippels gebruik word nie.

Jcwf (kontak) 10:46, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Ek het my boodskap baseer op die inligting wat hier beskikbaar is: https://af.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Sjabloon/Afrikaans. Daar word byvoorbeeld verwys na Sjabloon:-werkw-, ====    Afleiding ====, en so meer. Ek sien dan wel onderaan die bladsy (soos jy aangedui het) === Werkwoord===, Sjabloon:-antonieme-, ens. Dit lyk dus asof die teks by die skakel hier bo nie korreleer met die werklikheid nie. Dit is nogal vir nuwelinge soos ek erg verwarrend. Kan ons dus die bladsy bywerk, sonder dat iemand te kwaad gaan wees? Ek is net nogal bang, juis omdat ek 'n nuweling is hier.

Kan iets soos === Telwoord=== nie deur 'n robot verander word na Sjabloon:-telw.- nie? Waar dien 'n mens sulke versoeke in?

Die beste kan jy dit hier indien. Jcwf (kontak) 15:50, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Wat ek ook bedoel het met ... is dat daar op bogenoemde bladsy gebruikgemaak word van ... om te illustreer dat die ellipsstipels met die woord vervang moet word. Dis nou as ek dit reg verstaan ... Geebee100 (kontak) 14:56, 28 Julie 2019 (UTC)

Update on the consultation about office actions

Hello all,

Last month, the Wikimedia Foundation's Trust & Safety team announced a future consultation about partial and/or temporary office actions. We want to let you know that the draft version of this consultation has now been posted on Meta.

This is a draft. It is not intended to be the consultation itself, which will be posted on Meta likely in early September. Please do not treat this draft as a consultation. Instead, we ask your assistance in forming the final language for the consultation.

For that end, we would like your input over the next couple of weeks about what questions the consultation should ask about partial and temporary Foundation office action bans and how it should be formatted. Please post it on the draft talk page. Our goal is to provide space for the community to discuss all the aspects of these office actions that need to be discussed, and we want to ensure with your feedback that the consultation is presented in the best way to encourage frank and constructive conversation.

Please visit the consultation draft on Meta-wiki and leave your comments on the draft’s talk page about what the consultation should look like and what questions it should ask.

Thank you for your input! -- The Trust & Safety team 08:02, 16 Augustus 2019 (UTC)

New tools and IP masking

Hey everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation wants to work on two things that affect how we patrol changes and handle vandalism and harassment. We want to make the tools that are used to handle bad edits better. We also want to get better privacy for unregistered users so their IP addresses are no longer shown to everyone in the world. We would not hide IP addresses until we have better tools for patrolling.

We have an idea of what tools could be working better and how a more limited access to IP addresses would change things, but we need to hear from more wikis. You can read more about the project on Meta and post comments and feedback. Now is when we need to hear from you to be able to give you better tools to handle vandalism, spam and harassment.

You can post in your language if you can't write in English.

Johan (WMF)

14:19, 21 Augustus 2019 (UTC)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started

Hello,

In a recent statement, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees requested that staff hold a consultation to "re-evaluat[e] or add community input to the two new office action policy tools (temporary and partial Foundation bans)".

Accordingly, the Foundation's Trust & Safety team invites all Wikimedians to join this consultation and give their feedback from 30 September to 30 October.

How can you help?

• Suggest how partial and temporary Foundation bans should be used, if they should (eg: On all projects, or only on a subset);

• Give ideas about how partial and temporary Foundation bans should ideally implemented, if they should be; and/or

• Propose changes to the existing Office Actions policy on partial and temporary bans.

We offer our thanks in advance for your contributions, and we hope to get as much input as possible from community members during this consultation!

-- Kbrown (WMF) 17:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project

Help met die vertaal na uw taal

Hallo. The Readers Web team at the WMF will work on some improvements to the desktop interface over the next couple of years. The goal is to increase usability without removing any functionality. We have been inspired by changes made by volunteers, but that currently only exist as local gadgets and user scripts, prototypes, and volunteer-led skins. We would like to begin the process of bringing some of these changes into the default experience on all Wikimedia projects.

We are currently in the research stage of this project and are looking for ideas for improvements, as well as feedback on our current ideas and mockups. So far, we have performed interviews with community members at Wikimania. We have gathered lists of previous volunteer and WMF work in this area. We are examining possible technical approaches for such changes.

We would like individual feedback on the following:

• Identifying focus areas for the project we have not yet discovered
• Expanding the list of existing gadgets and user scripts that are related to providing a better desktop experience. If you can think of some of these from your wiki, please let us know
• Feedback on the ideas and mockups we have collected so far

We would also like to gather a list of wikis that would be interested in being test wikis for this project - these wikis would be the first to receive the updates once we’re ready to start building.

When giving feedback, please consider the following goals of the project:

• Make it easier for readers to focus on the content
• Provide easier access to everyday actions (e.g. search, language switching, editing)
• Put things in logical and useful places
• Increase consistency in the interface with other platforms - mobile web and the apps
• Eliminate clutter
• Plan for future growth

As well as the following constraints:

• Not touching the content - no work will be done in terms of styling templates or to the structure of page contents themselves
• Not removing any functionality - things might move around, but all navigational items and other functionality currently available by default will remain
• No drastic changes to the layout - we're taking an evolutionary approach to the changes and want the site to continue feeling familiar to readers and editors

Please give all feedback (in any language) at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

After this round of feedback, we plan on building a prototype of suggested changes based on the feedback we receive. You’ll hear from us again asking for feedback on this prototype.

Baie dankie! Quiddity (WMF) (talk)

07:15, 16 Oktober 2019 (UTC)

Community Wishlist 2020

The 2020 Community Wishlist Survey is now open! This survey is the process where communities decide what the Community Tech team should work on over the next year. We encourage everyone to submit proposals until the deadline on November 11, 2019, or comment on other proposals to help make them better.

This year, we’re exclusively focusing on smaller projects (i.e., Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews). We want to help these projects and provide meaningful improvements to diverse communities. If you’re a member of any of these projects, please participate in the survey! To submit proposals, see the guidelines on the survey page. You can write proposals in any language, and we will translate them for you. Thank you, and we look forward to seeing your proposals!

IFried (WMF) 19:30, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Folklore

Hello Folks,

Wiki Loves Love is back again in 2020 iteration as Wiki Loves Folklore from 1 February, 2020 - 29 February, 2020. Join us to celebrate the local cultural heritage of your region with the theme of folklore in the international photography contest at Wikimedia Commons. Images, videos and audios representing different forms of folk cultures and new forms of heritage that haven’t otherwise been documented so far are welcome submissions in Wiki Loves Folklore. Learn more about the contest at Meta-Wiki and Commons.

Kind regards,
Wiki Loves Folklore International Team
— Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk)
sent using MediaWiki message delivery (kontak) 06:14, 18 Januarie 2020 (UTC)

Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project

Hello

The Wikimedia Foundation’s Community Development team is seeking to learn more about the way volunteers learn and develop into the many different roles that exist in the movement. Our goal is to build a movement informed framework that provides shared clarity and outlines accessible pathways on how to grow and develop skills within the movement. To this end, we are looking to speak with you, our community to learn about your journey as a Wikimedia volunteer. Whether you joined yesterday or have been here from the very start, we want to hear about the many ways volunteers join and contribute to our movement.

To learn more about the project, please visit the Meta page. If you are interested in participating in the project, please complete this simple Google form. Although we may not be able to speak to everyone who expresses interest, we encourage you to complete this short form if you are interested in participating!

-- LMiranda (WMF) (talk) 19:01, 22 Januarie 2020 (UTC)

Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages

Sorry, for writing this text in English. If you could help to translate it, it would be appreciated.

You might know the new interface for edit conflicts (currently a beta feature). Now, Wikimedia Germany is designing an additional interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This interface is shown to you when you write on a discussion page and another person writes a discussion post in the same line and saves it before you do. With this additional editing conflict interface you can adjust the order of the comments and edit your comment. We are inviting everyone to have a look at the planned feature. Let us know what you think on our central feedback page! -- For the Technical Wishes Team: Max Klemm (WMDE) 14:14, 26 Februarie 2020 (UTC)

Feedback on movement names

Hallo. Apologies if you are not reading this message in your native language. Help met die vertaal na uw taal if necessary. Baie dankie!

There are a lot of conversations happening about the future of our movement names. We hope that you are part of these discussions and that your community is represented.

Since 16 June, the Foundation Brand Team has been running a survey in 7 languages about 3 naming options. There are also community members sharing concerns about renaming in a Community Open Letter.

Our goal in this call for feedback is to hear from across the community, so we encourage you to participate in the survey, the open letter, or both. The survey will go through 7 July in all timezones. Input from the survey and discussions will be analyzed and published on Meta-Wiki.

Thanks for thinking about the future of the movement, --The Brand Project team, 19:39, 2 Julie 2020 (UTC)

Note: The survey is conducted via a third-party service, which may subject it to additional terms. For more information on privacy and data-handling, see the survey privacy statement.

Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract Wikipedia

Hi all,

It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia, a new project that has been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation, improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to create something new.

This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May 2020 after years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and information that is available in one language may not make it to other language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.

The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code, volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.

As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development, and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation . We are very excited that Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.

It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project, and that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or how they would use content from this project.

We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with the communities to think through these important questions.

There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list . We recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.

Yours,

Katherine Maher (Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation)

Sent by m:User:Elitre (WMF) 20:13, 9 Julie 2020 (UTC) - m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/July 2020 announcement

Technical Wishes: FileExporter and FileImporter become default features on all Wikis

The FileExporter and FileImporter will become a default features on all wikis until August 7, 2020. They are planned to help you to move files from your local wiki to Wikimedia Commons easier while keeping all original file information (Description, Source, Date, Author, View History) intact. Additionally, the move is documented in the files view history. How does it work?

Step 1: If you are an auto-confirmed user, you will see a link "Move file to Wikimedia Commons" on the local file page.

Step 2: When you click on this link, the FileImporter checks if the file can in fact be moved to Wikimedia Commons. These checks are performed based on the wiki's configuration file which is created and maintained by each local wiki community.

Step 3: If the file is compatible with Wikimedia Commons, you will be taken to an import page, at which you can update or add information regarding the file, such as the description. You can also add the 'Now Commons' template to the file on the local wiki by clicking the corresponding check box in the import form. Admins can delete the file from the local wiki by enabling the corresponding checkbox. By clicking on the 'Import' button at the end of the page, the file is imported to Wikimedia Commons.

If you want to know more about the FileImporter extension or the Technical Wishes Project, follow the links. --For the Technical Wishes Team:

Max Klemm (WMDE) 09:13, 6 Augustus 2020 (UTC)

Important: maintenance operation on September 1st

Lees hierdie boodskap in 'n ander taal

Die Wikimedia Foundation toets sy sekondêre datasentrum. Dit sal verseker dat Wikipedia en die ander Wikimedia wiki's aanlyn kan bly, selfs ná 'n ramp. Om seker te maak dat alles werk, moet die afdeling Wikimedia Technology 'n beplande toets aflê. Hierdie toets sal wys of hulle betroubaar van die een datasentrum na die ander kan oorskakel. Dit verg baie spanne om voor te berei vir die toets en beskikbaar te wees om enige onverwagte probleme op te los.

Hulle sal alle verkeer na die sekondêre datacenter op Dinsdag, September 1 2020 oorskakel.

Ongelukkig, as gevolg van 'n paar beperkings in MediaWiki, alle redigering moet stop terwyl ons oorskakel. Ons vra om verskoning vir hierdie ontwrigting en werk daarna om dit in die toekoms tot die minimum te beperk.

U sal alle wiki's vir 'n kort tydjie kan lees, maar nie kan redigeer nie.

• U kan Dinsdag 1 September nie tot 'n uur lank wysig nie. Die toets begin om 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 19:30 IST, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, en in Nieu-Seeland om 02:00 NZST op Woensdag 2 September).
• As u gedurende hierdie tye probeer redigeer of stoor, sal u 'n foutboodskap sien. Ons hoop dat geen wysigings verlore sal gaan gedurende hierdie minute nie, maar ons kan dit nie waarborg nie. As u die foutboodskap sien, wag dan totdat alles weer normaal is. Dan moet u u redigering kan stoor. Maar ons beveel aan dat u eers 'n afskrif van u wysigings maak, net vir ingeval.

Ander effekte:

• Agtergrondgeleenthede sal stadiger wees en sommige sal moontlik afgeneem word. Rooi skakels word moontlik nie so vinnig soos gewoonlik opgedateer nie. As u 'n artikel skep wat reeds elders gekoppel is, sal die skakel langer as gewoonlik rooi bly. Sommige skrifte met 'n lang hardloop moet gestop word.
• Daar sal kode gevries word vir die week van 1 September 2020. Nie-noodsaaklike kode-ontplooiings sal nie plaasvind nie.

Hierdie projek kan indien nodig uitgestel word. Jy kan die skedule lees by wikitech.wikimedia.org. Enige veranderinge sal in die skedule aangekondig word. Daar sal meer kennisgewings hieroor wees. Deel asseblief hierdie inligting met u gemeenskap.

Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:49, 26 Augustus 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in the conversation

Hallo. Apologies for cross-posting, and that you may not be reading this message in your native language: translations of the following announcement may be available on Meta. Help met die vertaal na uw taal. Baie dankie!

We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct, which the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this year, for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until October 6, 2020.

The UCoC Drafting Committee wants to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for you or your work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what could be improved?

Please join the conversation and share this invitation with others who may be interested to join, too.

To reduce language barriers during the process, you are welcomed to translate this message and the Universal Code of Conduct/Draft review. You and your community may choose to provide your opinions/feedback using your local languages.

To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of Conduct page, and the FAQ, on Meta.

Thanks in advance for your attention and contributions, The Trust and Safety team at Wikimedia Foundation, 17:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC) 

Wiktionary sitelinks dashboard: URL update

Hello all, and sorry for writing in English. Feel free to translate this message below.

The Wiktionary Cognate Dashboard presents interesting data about the extension powering your sitelinks. I just wanted to let you know that the URL of this tool changed: it is now accessible at https://wiktionary-analytics.wmcloud.org/Wiktionary_CognateDashboard/ . The former URLs, https://wmdeanalytics.wmflabs.org/Wiktionary_CognateDashboard/ and https://wdcm.wmflabs.org/Wiktionary_CognateDashboard/ , will be disabled on September 25th. Don't forget to update your documentation pages accordingly.

If you have questions about the tool or the URL switch, feel free to ping me. Cheers, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki of functions naming contest

Help met die vertaal na uw taal.

Hallo. Please help pick a name for the new Wikimedia wiki project. This project will be a wiki where the community can work together on a library of functions. The community can create new functions, read about them, discuss them, and share them. Some of these functions will be used to help create language-independent Wikipedia articles that can be displayed in any language, as part of the Abstract Wikipedia project. But functions will also be usable in many other situations.

There will be two rounds of voting, each followed by legal review of candidates, with voting beginning on 29 September and 27 October. Our goal is to have a final project name selected on 8 December. If you would like to participate, then please learn more and vote now at meta-wiki. Baie dankie! --Quiddity (WMF)

21:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric

Hallo. Apologies if you are not reading this message in your native language. Help met die vertaal na uw taal.

Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees starts two calls for feedback. One is about changes to the Bylaws mainly to increase the Board size from 10 to 16 members. The other one is about a trustee candidate rubric to introduce new, more effective ways to evaluate new Board candidates. The Board welcomes your comments through 26 October. For more details, check the full announcement.

Baie dankie! Qgil-WMF (talk) 17:11, 7 Oktober 2020 (UTC)

Important: maintenance operation on October 27

Read this message in another language • Help met die vertaal na uw taal

The Wikimedia Foundation tests the switch between its first and secondary data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic back to the primary data center on Tuesday, October 27 2020.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

• You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Tuesday, October 27. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (14:00 WET, 15:00 CET, 10:00 EDT, 19:30 IST, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 03:00 NZDT on Wednesday October 28).
• If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

• Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
• There will be code freezes for the week of October 26, 2020. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. A banner will be displayed on all wikis 30 minutes before this operation happens. Please share this information with your community.

-- Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 21 Oktober 2020 (UTC)

Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2

Hallo. Reminder: Please help to choose the name for the new Wikimedia wiki project - the library of functions. The finalist vote starts today. The finalists for the name are: Wikicode, Wikicodex, Wikifunctions, Wikifusion, Wikilambda, Wikimedia Functions. If you would like to participate, then please learn more and vote now at Meta-wiki. Baie dankie! --Quiddity (WMF)

22:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

2021 enquête over de verlanglijst van de gemeenschap

De 2021 enquête over de verlanglijst van de gemeenschap is nu geopend! De enquête is de manier waarmee gemeenschappen bepalen waar het Community Tech team volgend jaar aan moet gaan werken. We moedigen iedereen aan om voorstellen in te dienen voor de deadline op 30 November, of om te reageren op andere voorstellen om ze te helpen verbeteren. De gemeenschappen stemmen op de voorstellen tussen 8 Desember en 21 Desember.

Het Community Tech team is gefocussed op hulpmiddelen voor ervaren Wikimedia bewerkers. U kunt voorstellen in elke taal opstellen en wij vertalen deze. Bedankt en we kijken uit naar uw voorstellen!

SGrabarczuk (WMF) 05:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Global bot policy proposal: invitation to a Meta discussion

Hallo!

I apologize for sending a message in English. Help met die vertaal na uw taal. According to the list, your wiki project currently is opted in to the global bot policy. Under this policy, bots that fix double redirects or maintain interwiki links are allowed to operate under a global bot flag that is assigned directly by the stewards.

As the Wikimedia projects developed, the need for the current global bot policy decreased, and in the past years, no bots were appointed via that policy. That is mainly given Wikidata were estabilished in 2013, and it is no longer necessary to have dozens of bots that maintain interwiki links.

A proposal was made at Meta-Wiki, which proposes that the stewards will be authorized to determine whether an uncontroversial task may be assigned a global bot flag. The stewards already assign permissions that are more impactful on many wikis, namely, global sysops and global renamers, and I do not think that trust should be an issue. The stewards will assign the permission only to time-proven bots that are already approved at a number of projects, like ListeriaBot.

By this message, I would like to invite you to comment in the global RFC, to voice your opinion about this matter.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,
Martin Urbanec (Besprekings) 11:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata descriptions changes to be included more often in Recent Changes and Watchlist

Sorry for sending this message in English. Translations are available on this page. Feel free to translate it in more languages!

As you may know, you can include changes coming from Wikidata in your Watchlist and Recent Changes (in your preferences). Until now, this feature didn’t always include changes made on Wikidata descriptions due to the way Wikidata tracks the data used in a given article.

Starting on December 3rd, the Watchlist and Recent Changes will include changes on the descriptions of Wikidata Items that are used in the pages that you watch. This will only include descriptions in the language of your wiki to make sure that you’re only seeing changes that are relevant to your wiki.

This improvement was requested by many users from different projects. We hope that it can help you monitor the changes on Wikidata descriptions that affect your wiki and participate in the effort of improving the data quality on Wikidata for all Wikimedia wikis and beyond.

Note: if you didn’t use the Wikidata watchlist integration feature for a long time, feel free to give it another chance! The feature has been improved since the beginning and the content it displays is more precise and useful than at the beginning of the feature in 2015.

If you encounter any issue or want to provide feedback, feel free to use this Phabricator ticket. Thanks!

Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 14:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th

Hello all,

The ceremony of the 2020 Wikimedia Coolest Tool Award will take place virtually on Friday, December 11th, at 17:00 GMT. This award is highlighting tools that have been nominated by contributors to the Wikimedia projects, and the ceremony will be a nice moment to show appreciation to the tools developers and maybe discover new tools!

You will find more information here about the livestream and the discussions channels. Thanks for your attention, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 10:55, 7 Desember 2020 (UTC)

Onderzoek naar het Verlanglijstje van de Wikipedia-gemeenschap 2021

We nodigen alle geregistreerde gebruikers uit om te stemmen op de 2021 Community Wishlist enquête. Je kunt vanaf nu tot aan 21 december stemmen voor zoveel verschillende wensen als u wilt.

In de enquête worden wensen voor nieuwe en verbeterde tools voor ervaren gebruikers verzameld. Na de stemming doen wij ons best om aan jouw wensen tegemoet te komen. We beginnen met de meest populaire.

Wij, het Community Tech-team, zijn een van de teams van de Wikimedia Foundation. We maken en verbeteren bewerkings- en moderatie-instrumenten voor wiki's. Waar we aan werken wordt besloten op basis van de resultaten van de Community Wishlist Enquête. Eenmaal per jaar kun je wensen indienen. Na twee weken kun je stemmen op de wensen die je het meest interesseren. Vervolgens kiezen we wensen uit de enquête om aan te werken. Een deel van de wensen kan worden ingewilligd door vrijwillige ontwikkelaars of andere teams.

We wachten in spanning op je stem. Dank je!

SGrabarczuk (WMF)

15:05, 11 Desember 2020 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct enforcement consultations

Dear all,

you may know me under my Wikimedia username – Nadzik. I came here last year to contribute to your project as well as I can. I am sorry for writing to you in English, but this will make the message more understandable, than using an automatic translator. Feel free to translate my post!

Over the next few weeks, Wikimedia Foundation will be consulting on the implementation and the enforcement of the Universal Code of Conduct, which will constitute an appendix to the currently applicable Terms of Use.

What is the Universal Code of Conduct?

The UCoC is intended to serve as a document that will incorporate the basic standards of behaviour in order to standardize them across all Wikimedia projects. It aims to include a list of inappropriate behaviours that will not be accepted in our projects, and also takes care of the safety of all users.

It is also intended to provide a common ground in those communities that do not have their own specific regulations and rules on this subject. It will widely help smaller and younger projects that have not yet had the opportunity to write down their own rules related to the inappropriate behaviour of their contributors.

Consultations carried out in 2019 and in the first half of 2020 allowed for the preparation of a preliminary proposal of rules, however, there are still no provisions related to the implementation of the UCoC. To this end consultations started in many Wikimedia project communities.

How will the consultations work?

In January and February 2021, nine language facilitators from the Wikimedia Foundation will engage in a series of consultations with different language communities (including Wikidata and Commons user communities). I've also asked to be allowed consulting with the Afrikaans community, as I've had the pleasure to work with some of you before. In the coming weeks, we will have the opportunity to talk together about your views, visions and ideas for implementation in connection with the introduction of UCoC .

The goal of the Wikimedia Foundation is to obtain information from various communities, and only on the basis of the currently conducted consultations, our team will prepare and present reports and various possibilities of implementing UCoC into force. I encourage everyone to share their opinion with me and with other members of our community. Starting in February, some of you may also be contacted by a dedicated affiliate outreach or user group outreach.